tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN July 25, 2013 11:00pm-12:01am PDT
a second zimmerman juror speaks out. her name is maddie. she was juror b-29 and she was the one minority in the six-woman panel. also tonight, it's being called florida's next trayvon martin case. a black teenager shot dead after a white gunman claiming defense opens fire on him and his friends. anderson talks to the dead boy's parents. later, what anthony weiner's sexting partner has to say about the man, what she wants to say to his wife and what the voters have to say about it all. we begin, though, with the zimmerman juror b29, the only nonwhite juror, her name is maddie, the one holdout, at
least for a while. she says she owes trayvon martin's family an apology, because she ultimately had no choice but to acquit a man she calls a murderer. she spoke to abc's robin roberts. the interview aired on abc's "world news." >> what was your first vote? >> my first vote was second degree murder. >> second degree murder? >> it was hard. a lot of us wanted to find something bad, something that we could connect to the loss. for myself, he's guilty because the evidence shows he's guilty. >> he's guilty of? >> killing trayvon martin. but as the law was read to me, if you have no proof that he killed him intentionally, you can't say he's guilty. >> did you want to step out at all? >> i was the juror that was going to give them the hung jury. i was.
i fought to the end. i mean, it's hard for me to sleep, it's hard for me to eat. i feel that i was forcefully included in trayvon martin's death, and i carry him on my back. i'm hurting as much as trayvon martin's mommy, because there's no way that any mother should feel that pain. >> but you feel in your heart of hearts that you and the jury approached it and came with the decision and you stand by that decision to this day? >> i stand by the decision because of the law. if i stand by the decision because of my heart, he would have been guilty. >> that's not all she said. the first zimmerman juror, we heard from juror b37 that spoke with anderson more than a week ago. she too said she had no choice but to vote not guilty. however, b37 seems to hold a
more charitable view of mr. zimmerman's actions that night. joining us martin family attorney benjamin crump. also joining us, jeffrey toobin and jose baez and mark geragos. jeff, let's start with you. juror b29 says that zimmerman was guilty but could not vote for guilt on either second degree murder or manslaughter because as the law was read to her, and i'm quoting now, you have no proof that he killed him intentionally. those were her words. does that make sense to you legally speaking? >> well, it certainly is a garbled reading of the law. the issue wasn't intention. the issue wasn't zimmerman's intention.
it was whether he was legitimately exercising self-defense or not. but look, she's not a lawyer. that's not a big difference. what i think is important to say just at the outset is that second thoughts by jurors are fairly common, and they have no legal significance. you can't get a verdict set aside. you can't change -- you can't get a retrial. nothing can happen as a result of a juror saying i wish i had voted another way. >> benjamin crump, let me play another part of the interview with abc. listen to this. >> i know that you've heard some people have said point blank, they said george zimmerman got away with murder. how do you respond to those people who say that? >> george zimmerman got away with murder, but you can't get away from god.
and at the end of the day, he's going to have a lot of questions and answers he has to deal with. the law couldn't prove it, but, you know, the world goes in circles. >> benjamin, your clients, trayvon martin's parents, do they agree with that? >> well, they have always maintained, wolf, that since this verdict was handed down, that the killer of their unarmed child got away with murder. >> they always believed that. what about her point, though, she believes he got away with murder, but given the instructions to the jury, what she had to deal with as far as evidence, benjamin, she had no choice but to acquit. >> well, that's an important to
note. this is the second juror that has said these instructions were very confusing to them and she believes that it got her to the wrong verdict. and i think it was her first thought to convict him of second degree murder. that's important. there were other people in that jury that persuaded her that based on the instructions given, she could not vote her abiding conviction to find him guilty, and that's real troubling, because we do think the evidence was there, and that was her first thought. and i know tracy and sybrina, it's devastating to hear stuff like this, because they desperately wanted the jurors to hold the killer of their child accountable. and they, as sybrina said, she would have fought harder if that would have been her child. they just are trying to get through this as make something positive out of something so negative, because they were so hurt by this verdict. >> i'm sure they were. mark, the juror anderson interviewed last week spoke
about this juror and how she was the last holdout on a guilty or not guilty charge, shall we say. let's listen to what she said. >> she was the last one to vote, and it took probably another 30 minutes for her to decide. she could not find anything to hold george on, because you want to find him guilty of something. she wanted to find him guilty of something, but couldn't because of the law, the way the law is written. >> so mark, what do you make of the fact that this one juror, who initially voted guilty for second degree murder, not manslaughter, but the second degree murder charge, the one holdout was the only minority on this six-woman panel. >> i think that's completely to be expected and exactly why when we saw the racial composition of
the jury, i said on this show that the trial was over. there was no way -- it's a very rare person who can hold out in a criminal case when everybody else is up against you. when you have the racial composition that was in this case, five to one, white to hispanic or puerto rican, and you combine that with what was one of the most abysmal prosecutorial presentations i've ever seen, i think it was a no-brainer that it was going to come out this way. i would tell or ask ben, you know, when your clients watched this, my experience is, this is one of the reasons when you try a case, win or lose, you never want to talk to the jurors afterwards because it's maddening. they'll come out and tell you
this, that and the other thing and who knows what it takes. it is an incredibly difficult task for a juror to stand their ground in a jury room when they're outnumbered and you've got that peer pressure and they dynamic that goes on. >> benjamin, go ahead and respond to that. >> yeah, and mark, i do think my clients understand that. she said she wants to offer an apology to trayvon's parents, and i think they -- as sybrina said, the christian thing to do is accept the apology, but she wishes she would have fought harder because that's what she would have did had that been their child. one vote, the prosecutors could have said, your vote is your vote, you said you had the evidence there. you didn't have to be persuaded.
you didn't have to justify your vote to anybody. >> you know, ben, one of the interesting things, and i don't understand it, you know, coming from the defense side, and i think jose would back me up on, this there are certain cases you know in jury selection you're not going to be able to win the case. you know because of the dynamics and everything else, and you try that case to get a hung jury. i think when the prosecution had the two white jurors placed back into that jury box and they saw the composition of this case, if they really wanted to win it, they should have tried this case to hang it so they would have had another chance at a retrial. it's yet another, i think, black mark, if you will, on the prosecution in this case. i just can't say enough horrible things about the prosecution. >> let's jose weigh in on this, as well. go ahead. >> i any what we're getting is a window to what actually happened in the deliberation room. the jury asked for a clarification on the manslaughter instruction at the 11th hour. we have a good idea who was the juror specifically asking for this, and what's even worse was
the response that went back to the jury was vague. it was basically like, we can't guide you, but if you have any specific questions let us know. and now we're hearing from the specific juror that she did not understand that specific instruction. in fact, her own statements were, she's saying it had to be intentional. that's incorrect. it's 100% incorrect. the manslaughter instruction says an intentional act that procured the death of another individual. so the fact that he intentionally shot the gun, that is the act that caused the death of trayvon martin. so, again, this falls back on the prosecution for not clearly showing and taking the elements of the crime and arguing what facts pertained to which element. >> jeffrey, you know that this woman that spoke to abc news, this juror, she is fully aware if she had held firmly, there would have been a hung jury and the prosecution presumably would
have had to start from scratch. >> yes, that's what she says. i would like to raise another possibility. these jurors were sequestered. they didn't know what a big deal this case turned out to be. i think it's entirely possible that maddie is reacting as much to the public reaction to the verdict as she is to the evidence. you know, this case -- you have the president of the united states talking about it, you have demonstrations all over the country in reaction to the verdict. this is not a pure laboratory example of someone talking about the verdict that she reached in the jury room. she's now reacting to the whole public spectacle of this case, and i think -- it's not a perfect picture of what went on in the jury room. i think a lot -- >> let me let benjamin crump respond to that, and then i'll bring you in, mark.
>> with respect to jeffrey, i disagree. she said her first mind was second degree murder. so being sequestered, sitting in that courtroom, she made the determination her verdict was second degree murder. so maybe the five people wore her down and that may be the case. >> that's clearly the case. >> i just wanted to say to mark's point that i believe the instructions are confusing in a lot of ways. so what you want the jury to do is be empowered. i thank the prosecutors for being the case, because a lot of prosecutors wouldn't have brought this case no matter what the evidence was. >> i agree with jeff's point about the fact when you have a sequestered jury and nobody thought this was going to gape the traction it did, and that normally you would think that's what is happening here, you're hearing a reverse sour grapes or recriminations. but the fact is, she did hold out. she did send out -- or they sent out that note, and the fact remains that the prosecution, in their closing argument, was all emotion, and very little on the instructions and little on the
law. i thought they were throwing the case. i still believe that. i just can't believe that -- >> i just wanted to say to mark, i agree with you, they should have told them they could hold on their vote and don't give in. >> it's all history now. so can't go back and redo it right now. it's over with. but i'm sure we'll be discussing it for a long time. we'll see if more jurors come out and speak. thanks to all of you. this is not the only racially charged self-defense case in the country, or even in florida. up next, another 17-year-old's killing, his name was jordan davis. the question about his death, there are a lot of questions being raised about race and justice in america. anderson sat down with jordan's parents. later, new poll numbers for
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but not everyone sees it that way. in fact, polls show the vast majority of african-americans believe race was a big factor in the case. now another deadly shooting in florida is raising the same questions about race in florida's controversial stand your ground law. the parallels to trayvon martin's death are striking. here's drew griffin. >> reporter: it was friday, november 23rd, 2012. 17-year-old jordan davis and three friends pulled into a convenience store in jacksonville, florida. his dad said they had been shopping. >> dad, he said me and some friends are going to window shop at the mall. he said, can i have some money for food and hang out with my friends. >> reporter: jordan davis stayed in the back seat as the driver went inside the store. the windows were down, loud music was on the radio. it was at that moment police say 45-year-old michael dunn,
driving a black volkswagen jetta, pulled into the parking spot right next to them. dunn was just attending his son's wedding reception with his girlfriend, rhonda, and she wanted to stop. as she went inside, michael dunn says she politely asked the music be turned down. the passenger in the front seat complied, turning down the radio. but jordan davis, police say, asked the music be turned back up. michael dunn concedes as much in a later police interrogation. >> and then the music comes back on and i'm just like, you know, i'm done. i don't need any trouble. >> reporter: but there was trouble. police say there was a verbal altercation between dunn and the other teens. interrogated by police, michael dunn said it was one of the teens who was trying to escalate the confrontation, threatening he says to kill him. >> so i put my window down again and i said, excuse me, are you talking about me?
and it was like, kill that [ bleep ]. you know, i'm still not reacting, and this guy goes down on the ground and comes up with something. i thought it was a shotgun, and he goes, you're dead, [ bleep ]. and he opens his door. and i'm [ bleep ], but that's when i reached into my glove box and grabbed my pistol. >> reporter: he opened fire. jordan davis, the only person hit, was killed. as for dunn, he told police he and his girlfriend spent the night at a local hotel, before driving the 159 miles to his home. he wasn't arrested until the next day. dunn's girlfriend tells the police dunn told her she was firing in self-defense.
>> i said what hammed? he said, i shot at the car. and i'm like, we're moving at this time. >> right. >> and i said, what car? and he said, the one with the music. >> reporter: other witnesses to the shooting told police they never saw the teens getting out of the suv or approaching dunn in any way. no weapon, no stick, no threatening object of any kind was found in the teen's possession. dunn insists he was shooting to save his life, and according to his attorney, plans to use florida's stand your ground law as his defense. drew griffin, cnn, atlanta. >> the trial is scheduled to begin in september. anderson talked to jordan davis' parents. >> i'm so sorry for your loss. what do you want people to know about your son? >> jordan was an american boy. he wasn't just an african-american boy, he was an
american boy. the way we feel is the way you would feel if you lost a son when it happens like that, when somebody tears your child away from you, you know, because of loud music, something so petty as that. it just takes the heart out of you. >> where were you when you heard the news? >> i was in chicago visiting family for the holidays. >> i can't imagine what that was like. >> it's -- it is a parent's worst nightmare, and you hear about it happening to other individuals, people around you, when, you know, you mourn for the loss when it happens to them, and in the back of your mind you're always saying wow, i don't know what i would do if that ever happened to me. and then when it becomes reality, it's just unbearable at times. >> when you heard that stand
your ground might be part of this case, it might be argued by this person who did this, what did you think? >> just angry that stand your ground legislation can be used to cover up and hide the real problem with the gun culture in this country. and particularly in florida, the stand your ground legislation is being used in a tremendous number of cases to protect people, shoot first, ask questions later. >> and in this case, i mean, there were witnesses who saw this, unlike in the trayvon martin case. and also many of the statements made by this man, i mean, he said he saw a gun or something, but there was no evidence of any of that. >> if you know how long a shotgun is, there's just no way possible. how many as he say thugs or gang members run around with full
blown shotguns? >> there wasn't even a stick or anything that could be mistaken for that. >> nothing. the boys were coming from the mall. they had been shopping. you know, as teenagers do. they had, you know, tennis shoes in the car and football and all those items. they were simply coming from the mall. >> talk to me about this case. are you concerned about it being linked with the trayvon martin case, or is that a positive or a negative? >> it's both. the ripple effect of getting awareness is a positive. these are both massive tragedies. they're factually very different in that george zimmerman had that busted nose photo, and it was what happened between two
men in the dark that was the issue. >> without any witnesses. >> right. there was one bullet. this one he shot ten including into a retreating vehicle. this is in no way should somebody be able to buy a gun and kill and then say hey, you can't get me for this. >> this is also one individual in his vehicle, shooting at a number of other individuals who are in their vehicles. so to argue i was in fear of my life. >> he's in his car, he's got his window rolled up. he rolled it down to say something to the kids. my son is in the back seat in the passenger's side and because they don't turn down their loud music and he thinks, according to what his girlfriend noted, that's thug music, hip-hop music. he decided because he doesn't like the quote unquote thug music that he was going to take things further. my stop is arguing with him verbally. my stop never got out of the car. he didn't get out of his car at the time. >> he just reached and got his
gun. >> for that to be a thought in your mind that i'm in a verbal argument with children. he already admitted he knew they were children. >> one of the things that the juror in the zimmerman trial had sort of said to me or it became clear, she didn't seem to have a great sense of who trayvon martin was. she seemed to understand who george zimmerman was and teamed to sympathize with him or feel she knew what was in his heart. do you worry that -- do you want to make sure that jurors understand who your son is? >> absolutely, without a doubt. jordan was a good, everyday 17-year-old teenager. you know, playing loud music like all the other teenagers play their music loudly. hanging out with his friends, going to class. basketball games, events, all those things that normal kids do. jordan did that. jordan was born and raised in atlanta, georgia.
i home schooled him. jordan was with a great faith foundation. lots of friends and family. good family structure. that's what we want people to know about jordan. >> i'm just so sorry for your loss and we'll continue to follow it. >> thank you very much. >> you can find a lot more on the story at cnn.com. up next, that terrible train wreck in spain and what investigators are learning from it. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] a doctor running late for a medical convention
80 people are now dead in that spanish train wreck, and new video could reveal why. this train may have been going far too fast for that curve. that's what officials say. the result is disastrous. you can see the train leaving the tracks. splitting in two. piling up and catching fire. carl penhaul is on the scene and we spoke a short time ago. carl, we're seeing this horrible video of the train crash. what is the latest you're learning about the investigation, particularly about the speed of the train? because i know there have been lots of questions on that. >> reporter: that video is absolutely chilling, isn't it, wolf? the surveillance video taken just yards away from where the train was actually impacting. but certainly these trains are designed to run at high speed, and spain has invested a lot in infrastructure for its railways.
at certain points on its route, that train expected to run at speeds of around 155 miles an hour. we did hear spain's development minister saying she believed excessive speed could be a factor. but then the prime minister showed up, and he urged people to keep an open mind. he said all factors were under consideration, not just the speed factor, but also other factors, as well. so certainly no hard and fast conclusions, far from it right now, wolf. >> what do we know about the driver of the train? i understand he's been talking to authorities, right? >> reporter: he has. we understand that he's been in police custody for most of the day. police have been questioning him about what he was doing, how the train was performing, and also, quite frankly, to see if any wrongdoing may have been in this case. we understand he has 20 to 30
years driving trains in spain. but right now authorities are not telling us what details he may have revealed in the course of questioning, wolf. >> carl, we saw the king and queen of spain visiting a hospital today. we know scores are dead and a lot more injured. give us a sense of how the country is dealing with this enormous tragedy, because these high speed trains are a key mode of transportation in spain. >> reporter: absolutely. trains, as i say, spain has invested a lot of money in its railways. so the spanish are frequent train travelers. i think the shock began first locally and then spread region wide as people saw the scale of this, and then people across spain listening to the headlines, seeing that death toll balloon in the nighttime hours. so there is a genuine sense of
shock. the city was due to celebrate the biggest religious festivals of the year, but they have been canceled and spain has declared three days of national mourning. the scale of the tragedy, absolutely huge. at least 1/3 of the passengers on board that train are now dead. more than 100 still in hospital, and a third of those are still on the critical list. so that death toll, we are told by authorities, could rise even further, wolf. >> what a horrible, horrible tragedy. carl penhaul, thanks for the reporting. up next, the woman at the center of the new anthony weiner sexting scandal speaking out. and one of the original sexting partners tells me what she thinks about the fact that weiner was still sending steamy texts after he got caught.
"raw politics" tonight. a new poll of new york city democrats shows a fairly even split whether anthony weiner's latest sexting revelations will affect how people vote. in the nbc wall street poll, 46% said tuesday's bombshell will have an impact. 49% said it matters little or not at all. meantime, his young sexting partner spoke out for the first time today with "inside edition." >> how would you describe him? i read one quote, that suggested you thought he was a dirty old man. >> he said that about himself to me. the exact wording was that he's an argumentative, perpetually horny middle aged man. at that time, i was like oh, no, you're not. but yes, he is. i felt manipulated. >> why?
>> because obviously i felt like, you know, he's saying one thing to me, saying another thing to his wife, saying another thing on the campaign trail. i don't know who the real anthony weiner is, i guess. >> sidney leathers, only 23 years old, the latest woman to come forward. lisa weiss explained explicit messages with congressman weiner in 2010 and 2011 and is talking exclusively with "360." lisa, when you heard these latest revelations, what was your reaction? were you surprised to find out that anthony weiner kept sexting long after the two of you had cut off contact? >> well, i'm very torn about the way i feel about the whole thing. to me, you know, i really think there's a fine line. i'm still not sure if i feel as if this is cheating. i mean, there are a lot of politicians that have had actual affairs and paid prostitutes, you know, to me this is a very weird thing.
it's like a very new thing that people aren't used to with the internet. i was surprised he was still doing it. i think he moved to an adult site, which is maybe better than twitter and facebook, because that's maybe where this kind of talk belongs. >> lisa, listen to what sidney leathers told "inside edition." she was one of the women that was sexting with him long after he resigned from congress. >> neither one of us ever really officially ended it. it just kind of started to fizzle out. he got a little bit controlling with me towards the end. >> how so? >> he would tell me that he would be jealous, he would look at my facebook frequently and tell me he would get jealous if other men would compliment me. >> lisa, does that sound at all familiar to you with anthony weiner possessive, jealous, as
far as you were concerned? >> not at all. that's surprising to me. no, with me, it was a very different thing. it was, you know, we had -- i did not feel like there was any kind of a relationship there. the whole thing between anthony and i was basically -- to me it was funny. to me the whole thing was basically, you know, i never planned on meeting him. i don't think he ever planned on meeting me. i didn't feel it was any sort of affair or emotional attachment in any way. >> when asked about his wife, huma abedin, sidney leathers, this other woman broke down in tears and said i'm sorry. i understand you also expressed sorrow for the pain you may have caused the wife. what did you think when you saw her speaking out in support of her husband the other day? >> when anthony and i first started speaking, he was not married and i was single. i did not realize he had gotten married afterwards.
when i found out, and after everything came out, i felt so bad, and i did apologize. i've tried many times to apologize to huma, because, yeah, i had no business even joking around, flirting with her husband that way, and i still feel bad about it. i admire her, and i think that, you know, she did the right thing to say something and not just stand there and, you know, let him speak. >> i know you had a tough time, lisa, after your relationship with anthony weiner was exposed between the press coverage, reaction with friends and co-workers. based on your own experience, what do you think lies ahead for this other woman, sidney leathers? >> don't read the comments that people write. i'm sure i'll get comments after tonight being on your show,
because i got comments from people that were so vicious that i sat home and cried and it was -- you know, i just would tell her be prepared, because you're going to get a lot of criticism and not a lot of people defending you. you know, i am still trying to toughen up because of it. so yeah, just -- she's going to get a lot of flak from a lot of people. i hope she doesn't, just in my experience, i did. >> leathers also says she felt manipulated by weiner. did you at all see yourself as a victim or feel manipulated? >> i did not. well, she's much younger than i am. i'm an adult. i'm a middle aged woman. i will tell you, i understand why she did. what he sort of does to you, i do understand why she feels manipulated a bit. i would speak to him about politics, and you know, he sort of turns the conversation into a sexual thing. and it becomes very flattering
to me and probably to her. he's somebody that i was enamored with and a fan of. and when he starts talking that way to you, you know, what are you supposed to say? oh, you're offending me, i'm disgusted and hang up. no. to me, i was like, what does he want to hear? i'm going to say whatever i can think of that sounds sexy. so he does turn the conversation that way, and then you kind of get sucked into it, no pun intended, i'm sorry. you get sucked into it a little bit and feel like we started this weird relationship, saying whatever it is, and it just kind of continued. >> lisa weiss, joining us from las vegas. lisa, thank you very much. >> thank you so much for having me. just ahead, a major development that could mean ariel castro will never go before a jury. also ahead, the three young women rescued from castro's house that helped shine a light on the missing women in cleveland. the numbers are staggering.
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a 35-year-old registered sex offender has been charged with their murders. both cases have put a spotlight on a disturbing fact. in parts of cleveland and suburbs, women of color are vanishing at an alarming rate. here's what "360's" gary tuchman has found. >> it is time to take a stand! >> reporter: on the same block where three women's bodies were found days ago in east cleveland, ohio, angry residents gathered. >> we will protect our families. >> reporter: a disturbing number of women are missing in the cleveland area. and many others have been found murdered. it's gotten so bad that residents are calling for -- >> the president of the united states of america to bring in the national guard to find these women. >> reporter: posters of the missing like these can be seen all over impoverished neighborhoods in the cleveland metropolitan area. the cleveland police website lists 54 women as currently
missing from within its city limits. that compares to three women on the cincinnati police website. a similarly sized ohio city. and in baltimore, a larger city than cleveland, there are six missing women on the list. police acknowledge such lists are incomplete and hard to keep accurate. many community leaders in cleveland say the numbers are higher. much higher. manerva tripp vanished without a trace last august. one of three sisters. >> she was the baby. >> reporter: marcelot love is the oldest of the three sisters. >> i just want her back. i just want to see her. >> reporter: ashley summers has been missing since 2007. debbie is her aunt. >> i want you to come home. i love you and miss you so much. i'll never give up on you, never. >> reporter: in many cases, family members believe police haven't done enough, that relatives just fall off the grid. case in point, charlene price. >> she went missing on july 2nd, 1997. >> reporter: that's over 16
years ago. >> yes, it is. >> reporter: do you feel everything that could be done to find her has been done? >> no, i don't. >> reporter: police defend their work over the years. but acknowledge the problem is very serious. the mayors of cleveland and east cleveland do, too. >> in the cities combined, there are far too many people missing. >> reporter: many believe the increasing number of missing women and increased crime are tied to the recent economic crisis. its such a crisis here that civilians are actually doing the grim duties that typically only the authorities do. many community leaders here are anguished at the sheer number of missing people over the years and have taken to searching in the local woods themselves, without the aid of police, looking for bodies. we accompanied them on this day as they look for the women whose names we see on the missing posters. they dread what they might find
but want to provide answers to families. we are told by one neighbor to search a particular abandoned house. nothing is found, nor the woods, at least on this day. all over the cleveland area, you see the missing posters for an 18-year-old woman named sharelda, a regular at bible study, who went missing. we sent up a time to interview her parents, to talk to them about the continued home and faith that she would be found alive. but 30 minutes before our interview, we received a phone call. she was no longer missing. she was dead, and this right now, in this neighborhood, is her family and friends mourning. ♪ i just want to thank you, lord ♪ >> reporter: as it turns out, she had just been positively identified as one of the three victims recently found.
they were all wrapped in plastic and hidden around michael madison's home. her father still wanted to talk to us. >> my baby is gone. that's the reality of it all. now when i cry tonight, it's not crying hoping to find her. i know where she's at. i'm crying because i miss her. now she's gone on. >> reporter: there is a lot of pain in cleveland. for the families who lost loved ones, and for the families who don't know what to think, who waver between hope and hopelessness. >> gary tuchman is joining me now from east cleveland. gary, what is being done to keep these residents, particularly the women safer? >> reporter: they need more cops in these neighborhoods and they have increased police patrols. so that is good news. they also need to knock down the abandoned buildings. there's so many abandoned houses and businesses.
the mayor is saying he needs more funding to knock those buildings down because they are magnets for criminals. and also the final thing, neighbors tend to mind their own business. they can't mind their business anymore. they have to speak out when they see something suspicious. tell neighbors and police and nail these bad people. >> good advice. thanks for that report. we'll be right back.